Yesterday I received an e-mail from a young man that I’ve never met.
He contacted me through Facebook, and I wanted to share our conversation here. To protect his privacy, I’m simply going to call him “Jay”.
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Jay: I am Jay and I am 19..I have been looking for people on Facebook who know about Autism to chat with as I have Autism myself…it seems you know about Autism. Could we chat? My form of Autism is Asperger Syndrome.
Me: Hi Jay! Thanks for connecting. I’m no expert by any means – my son is 4 and he was diagnosed last Christmas. If you want to check out my blog at http://trydefyinggravity.wordpress.com/ I have a lot of links on there for good information, especially on Asperger’s.
It’s wonderful that you’re reaching out and I would love to talk more.
(yes, I know. shameless plug, but I didn’t know the kid and didn’t know what he was looking for)
Jay: I was 6 years old and in Kindergarten when I was diagnosed…I’ve always tried my best to overcome it by working hard and doing what I can to help others and be a good kid. I have been bullied a lot and made fun of for my condition. What do you think some affects can be of bullying on an emotional standpoint? If you were to see me or even your own kid bullied, what would you tell the kids it hurts or affects inside the victim?What emotions you know can be hurt by bullying?
Like what would you teach kids what bullying can hurt inside others
I am taking some online classes on counseling…so obviously stuff like this and your answers would help some.
Me: I am so sorry for what you went through. No child should have to endure any amount of bullying. You sound like a very strong person.
I want to answer all your questions properly, but I have to put my kids to bed. I will write more tonight.
Me: Ok, so here goes. I hope I answer all your questions.
I think bullying can have lifelong lasting effects. The fact that even now you remember what happened as a kid is evidence of that. And I think the effects can go one of three ways : 1) the child grows up to be an adult with lasting emotional scars and can’t recover, 2) the child grows up hating people, and could become a bully themselves, or 3) the child grows up to be an incredibly tolerant, sensitive and caring kid (which sounds like what you have become).
I’m in the camp of needing to step in when I see any kids being teased or bullied. I used to step back and wait for the kids’ parents to step in, but that doesn’t happen. Sometimes kids listen better when it’s not their parent talking to them. And sometimes the parents are the ones feeding their bullying tendencies (a vicious cycle). I think you hit on something when you ask about what emotions can be hurt. Instead of the broad “how would you feel if…” question, maybe the right question needs to be “if someone said that to you, would you feel happy? sad?” putting the emotion out there. i think it’s different for different age groups.
My hope is that someday kids won’t be bullied because they are a bit different. It might be me just being a hopeful parent, but because so many more kids are being diagnosed at an early age, the differences might not be so apparent. I’m also hopeful that schools will start to do a better job educating parents and kids about differences in learning styles, appearances, etc. so the differences become “normal”. I know they are doing that at my older kid’s school, and he has no clue which kids in his class are on IEPs or need extra help, because they treat every child as an individual there with individual needs.
I’ll say again how sorry I am for what you went through as a kid. It is every parent’s nightmare when you have a kid on the spectrum. I worry every day about my son – he’s smaller than most kids his age – and I know he won’t understand if someone is making fun of him or being playful. I will teach him right from wrong, and I hope someday he’ll be able to teach his peers the same thing.
Thanks for connecting. I hope that helps a little with your classes. You’ve helped me think a lot about the future and how to talk with my kids about how they are treated.
One more website to look at for good info for your classes: http://endthebullying.wordpress.com/. Great blog written by a mom of a child with autism.
Good luck and feel free to contact me again.
Jay: The bullying really hurt my feelings, so in that, I’ve learned how important feelings are and that you need to get your feelings out, would you agree? I’ve read a lot of kids have trouble expressing their feelings…so I guess am lucky to get my feelings out. How important do you think feelings are in life and do you take feelings very seriously?
A lot of kids who hurt my feelings and knew they were said they were glad my feelings were hurt and didn’t care about feelings at all and that feelings don’t mean anything. Just hearing this, does it hurt your own feelings?
I think feelings is a great subject to talk about and kind of underated. My family has made a commitment to feelings for years. We have lots of books on feelings that we read. That helped me through the bullying, getting the feelings out, reading about hurt feelings and how to get better from them
I’d love if you can for me, sit down with your child, and have a talk about feelings. help learn about feelings and how important the feelings are and let me know how it goes, can you do that for me please?
Me: (in tears as I write him back): You are wise beyond your years, and it sounds like you have wonderful parents. Those kids didn’t deserve to be anywhere near you.
And yes, for you and for my kids, feelings will be the optic of tonight’s dinner conversation. On behalf of my family, thank you.
would you mind if I wrote about our conversation here? I won’t use your name, but your message is powerful and I’d like to share it. It’s ok if you say no.
Jay: Yes you can, no problem at all.
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Now, I don’t know who Jay is, and some of you might think he was making this all up and playing me. My sense is that he’s not. I feel like he was just a young man reaching out to someone who might understand him. I do. It doesn’t matter though. His message is what’s important. His story is what every parent worries about.
He’s right that a lot of kids on the spectrum have a hard time sharing their feelings appropriately. They have difficulty showing empathy – something we struggle with every day in our house. But it doesn’t mean that our kids don’t feel. In many ways, I think they feel even more deeply than the rest of us. They just can’t express it.
So, for Jay, tonight we’re going to talk about feelings at dinner. I’ll talk about it different ways with each of my kids. With Gerry, we can talk about what it feels like when someone doesn’t want to play the same game as he does at recess. With Howie, I can ask him how it feels when he doesn’t see his favorite activity out at center time. And with Lewis, even though he’s not quite two, I can still ask him to smile and show me “happy”. And we can all make that happy face at the table together.
In honor of Spirit Day today, I’m hoping you do the same with your family. Culture changes have to start at home, with us as parents. Let’s talk to our children about their feelings, and teach them how to treat others with respect and tolerance, even if they are just a little different. Because we all want our kids to share like Jay did with me.
“Hey baby, there ain’t no easy way out
Hey yeah, I’ll stand my ground
And I won’t back down
Hey baby, there ain’t no easy way out
Hey yeah, I’ll stand my ground
And I won’t back down” – I Won’t Back Down by Tom Petty
October 20, 2010 at 4:29 pm
Jay sounds like a very sweet young boy, with wonderful parents. There is not a day that goes by that I don’t worry that B will get teased, bullied, made fun of, etc because of who he is.
I am going to go home tonight and talk about feelings with my boys for Jay. Thank you Jay and thank you Alysia for sharing this.
October 20, 2010 at 4:29 pm
Oh, poor Jay, and poor all the kids who are attacked for being different. Can you imagine having those feelings and not being able to articulate them until way too late? I love his message to us though.
There are some good resources on understanding emotions here: http://www.do2learn.com/activities/SocialSkills/index.html
I also like the Seuss book “Many Colored Days” too for young kids who are more visual learners.
Great way to honor the day, Alysia!
October 20, 2010 at 4:40 pm
Wow, what a gift to have him reach out and give another perspective! He does seem wise beyond his years!!
We talk about feelings and have books about feelings, but I think we need to more. We haven’t really started talking about bullying yet, but maybe we need to start.
Thank you for sharing!!
October 20, 2010 at 4:56 pm
Beautiful and deeply important post. Thank you for sharing this conversation with us because I think that is something we may overlook–the lifelong effects of bullying. We think of the children being hurt. But what about the adults and the effects it leaves on their souls forever. I love the way you handled this conversation and the advice you offered. You are a wise soul. And so is he. I am honored to know you.
And now I’m going to go have a talk with my children about feelings.
October 20, 2010 at 5:36 pm
Ah, so timely. Thank you for sharing this conversation with us. I’m finding it very difficult to help my own son with being bullied right now. He is only six.
October 21, 2010 at 1:30 pm
oh Dawn – he’s only six! That’s so wrong. No one – especially a six year old – should go through that. I’m sorry.
October 20, 2010 at 6:12 pm
What a beautiful correspondence….thanks for sharing!!!!
October 20, 2010 at 7:58 pm
I’m so glad he allowed you to share this conversation on your blog. He raises very important issues that all of us parents worry about. We try to talk about feelings, but so far we are just talking about how the Roc feels, and trying to get him to understand his own feelings. Very interesting post, thanks to both of you for sharing!
October 20, 2010 at 10:10 pm
What a charming young man Jay is!
And what a fabulous job you did with the answers that you gave him. He couldn’t have reached out to a better example of compassion than you.
Bullying is such a major issues with ASD kids and to see it from the perspective of someone who is on the spectrum and has experienced it first hand is SO valuable to me as a parent.
Thank you for another eye-opening and wonderful post Alysia!
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October 20, 2010 at 10:15 pm
Oh my gosh. I’m a little teary now, and am planning out my talk with my kids (3 and 5) about their feelings. Great message.
Peryl (MBC)
October 21, 2010 at 12:27 am
Lovely interaction to share. I have a 12 year old daughter with Aspergers and I am constantly amazed at her awareness and wisdom.
October 21, 2010 at 6:19 am
As always, you amaze and inspire me. Unfortunately with four kids in the house, we don’t have and won’t tolerate bullying. But we do have feelings hurt quite alot, I have been working on that with the kids but this has given me some more ideas. Thanks
October 21, 2010 at 1:32 pm
Thank you all for sharing YOUR feelings on this with me. Just an update: I got another e-mail from “Jay” and he asked me if I had talked with my kids about their feelings. Here’s what I wrote back:
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Dinner talk went great – actually ended up being after dinner (dinner tends to be a bit chaotic in our house). My 4 yr old and I had a great conversation – I asked him what made him happy, sad, mad and frustrated. And then something amazing happened…he asked me what I thought made his dad mad. that’s new. and wonderful.
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I NEVER would have thought he’d ask about anyone else’s feelings. Ever. How about that.
October 21, 2010 at 2:07 pm
LOVE the suggestion – when my 4 year old does things that are not so nice, I tend to ask “would you like that if someone did it to you” – which gets me the standard “no” response and me reiterating the golden rule. I’m going to try “how would it make you feel”? It’s an open-ended question and SO much better.
October 21, 2010 at 10:51 pm
What a touching post. Your are right no child or no person deserves to be bullied. He does sound like a very strong person. Thanks for stopping by the blog hop.
October 21, 2010 at 11:47 pm
Fantastic post! Really, really touching. I’m glad you shared it with us. I think we will be talking about feelings this weekend.